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NorthJerseyCopper · 1st-year apprentice, UA · 1 year · Bergen County, NJ · Oct 2
Question

Long-term question: what does insurance run for a one-truck plumbing shop?

1st year in Local 24, so this is years away. idk if it's weird to ask this early. My long-term plan is to top out, get my master, and eventually run a small service shop in Bergen. Everyone says insurance is the thing that kills new shops. What kinds do you need, and roughly what does it cost? Ballpark is fine. Just planning.

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Master Plumber · 28 years · Bergen County, NJ
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Foreman, Inside Wireman (IBEW) · 19 years · Morris County, NJ
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plumbguy917 · 1st-year apprentice, Plumbers · 1 year · Brooklyn, NY · Sep 30
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New dishwasher trips the GFCI on the dry cycle. On us or the electrician?

1st year, Local 1. Last week my journeyman had me do the water and drain on a dishwasher in a Bay Ridge apartment, the electrician did the circuit. Customer called back: it runs through wash and rinse fine, then the GFCI trips on the heated dry. Electrician says it's the appliance. Customer's blaming us because we were the last ones under there lol. Is there any way a water connection trips a GFCI, or is this not our problem?

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benplumb79 · Apprentice plumber · 2 years · Somerset County, NJ · Sep 28
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Started an hours log like people said. What should actually be in it?

Sorry if this has been covered. After reading the thread on here about keeping a paper trail, I started keeping a log. Two years at my shop now, so I already feel behind. Right now it's a notebook: date, job, hours, what I did. Is that enough? Do I need my boss to sign something? Should I go back and reconstruct the last two years from my pay stubs, or is that pointless? I'd rather overdo it now than find out later it's useless. edit: I mean for a master plumber license someday, in NJ.

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benplumb79 · Apprentice plumber · 2 years · Somerset County, NJ · Sep 28
Discussion

Update on my $21/hr question: had the review

Sorry, this is long. A while back I asked whether $21/hr was low for a 2nd-year non-union plumber near Manville. I had my review on Friday. I brought a written list of what I can do alone now: water heaters, toilets, most drain calls, two small repipes. I asked for $24 plus mileage. I got $23 and mileage at a set rate per mile, which is less than I asked for but more than I had. My boss said we'd "talk again in the spring." Is it normal to land in the middle like that, or did I leave money on the table?

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benplumb79 · Apprentice plumber · 2 years · Somerset County, NJ · Sep 27
Question

Does a like-for-like water heater swap need a permit in NJ?

Sorry, another one from me. A customer in Manville asked us to swap a 40-gallon gas water heater, same spot, same venting. My boss said "we'll pull a permit" and she acted like we were trying to pad the bill. Her last plumber never pulled one. Is a straight swap actually permit work in NJ, or does it count as maintenance? And if it's a permit, who inspects it, the plumbing inspector or someone for the gas? I want to be able to explain it next time instead of just standing there.

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benplumb79 · Apprentice plumber · 2 years · Somerset County, NJ · Sep 27
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Two years non-union in Somerset. Too late to try for the UA apprenticeship?

Sorry if this has been asked a hundred times. I posted a while back about making $21 an hour near Manville. I did ask for the review. I got fifty cents and a "we'll see in the spring." I like the work and the guys, but I keep thinking about the union apprenticeship. I'm two years in. Would I be starting over at zero? Is there any credit for time already worked, or do they not care? I'd also be risking a paycheck I count on for something I might not get. Not trying to trash my shop, they've been fair in other ways. I just want to know if this is a smart move or a step backward.

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Gio O. · plumber · 4 years · Hudson County, NJ · Sep 25
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Customer wants the old oil tank left in the basement after the gas conversion

Service tech, Union City. Finishing a conversion next week in a two-family in Weehawken. Customer wants the 275 gallon oil tank in the basement just left there, empty, "for later." Then he tells me the home inspector on another house he's buying found a buried tank in the yard during the tank sweep, and the seller says "it was abandoned years ago." Boss is out till Monday and I'm bad at talking to customers lol. What do I tell him on both? I know we don't do tank work, I just don't want to sound like an idiot.

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NorthJerseyCopper · 1st-year apprentice, UA · 1 year · Bergen County, NJ · Sep 24
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Old cash boss won't write a letter confirming my two years

Before I got into the Local I worked two years for a plumber in Garfield. All cash, every Friday. Now people keep telling me prior experience can matter later, either for credit somewhere or for a license someday. I asked him for a short letter saying what I did and when. He won't do it. Says he "doesn't do paperwork." Not angry about it, just no. idk what to do. Is it even worth chasing? Or do those two years just not exist now?

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benplumb79 · Apprentice plumber · 2 years · Somerset County, NJ · Sep 23
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What should a 2nd-year non-union plumber make in Central Jersey?

Two years in at a non-union shop near Manville. Service and some remodel work. I'm at $21/hr, no overtime most weeks, I drive my own car to jobs. A guy I went to school with says I'm getting robbed, another says that's normal. Not trying to start a fight, just want to know if I should ask for a raise and what's reasonable to ask for.

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Kearny_Pipefitter · plumber helper · 1 year · Hudson County, NJ · Sep 23
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Boss calls late September 'boiler cleaning month.' What am I actually doing?

About 7 months in at the shop out of Bayonne. Boss says starting next week it's boiler cleanings and fall service every day until it gets cold, mostly old one-pipe steam in Bayonne and JC, some hot water. Ziggy told me to ask for one new thing a week so this is me asking ahead of time. What actually happens on a fall service for an old steam boiler? What should I be watching so I'm not just the guy holding the light? brother I've seen maybe three steam boilers up close.

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NorthJerseyCopper · 1st-year apprentice, UA · 1 year · Bergen County, NJ · Sep 21
Discussion

What was your first no-heat call like?

Shop just put the winter emergency list on the board and my name is on it with a journeyman starting in November. Mostly service and drain work up to now, Fair Lawn and around. Not scared exactly. idk. Curious what your first one was like, the real version. Was it the boiler, the customer, or just being tired?

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NorthJerseyCopper · 1st-year apprentice, UA · 1 year · Bergen County, NJ · Sep 21
Discussion

Ranked low twice, got in on the third try. Ask me whatever

UA Local 24, first year. I ranked low my first two times. Third time I got the call. I see a lot of people on here worried about their ranking, so ask me what you want. I can only tell you what happened to me. I don't know how anyone else's local runs. Between tries I worked for a service and drain shop in Fair Lawn.

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Dev_H · Apprentice plumber · 3 years · Gloucester County, NJ · Sep 21
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Starting at a new shop Monday after 3 years at the cash place. What should I bring?

Took Rui's advice from my cash-pay thread. Lined up a new shop in Pitman before I gave notice, left on good terms, start Monday. Real payroll, they do service and boilers, five minutes off 55. Three years in, but I've never started somewhere new as anything but a kid. What do I bring day one? My own tools or wait and see? And how do I handle it if they treat me like a first-year when I'm not?

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plumbguy917 · 1st-year apprentice, Plumbers · 1 year · Brooklyn, NY · Sep 21
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Cousin in Gloucester County asked me union vs school vs shop. I only know how it works in the city

So my cousin is 18, lives in Williamstown, just finished high school and wants to do plumbing. He asked me what to do because I'm the "plumber" in the family now lol. Problem is I'm a first year in Local 1 in Brooklyn and everything I know is how it works in the city. I told him apply to the union and he asked which one, and I realized I have no idea what covers South Jersey. Also no idea if the county vo-tech down there does adult programs or if he should just call shops. I'd drive down the Turnpike and walk him around myself but I'm on at 6 every day. Help me not give my cousin bad advice. He's a good kid, works at a Wawa on the Black Horse Pike right now and hates it.

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plumbguy917 · 1st-year apprentice, Plumbers · 1 year · Brooklyn, NY · Sep 21
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Brownstone gas job: why are we still threading black iron?

1st year. On a brownstone gut reno in Park Slope with my journeyman, running new gas from the meter in the cellar up to the kitchen on the parlor floor. All black iron, threaded, and I'm the one cutting and threading all day lol. The water side of the same job is all press and it goes like 5x faster. So why not press the gas too? Journeyman just says "not on this job" and "the inspection is the inspection." Is it a code thing in the city, a cost thing, or is he just old school? Not trying to do anything myself, just want to understand what I'm doing.

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oldsteam_zig · Master Plumber · 28 years · Bergen County, NJ · Sep 17
Tip from a pro

Torch work in old houses: stick around after you put the torch down

Had a helper sweat a couple of fittings on a boiler near a joist bay in Lodi last week. Nice joints. We packed up, I went back down for a tool I forgot, and I smelled it before I saw it. The old wood and the dust up in that bay had been smoldering the whole time. Nobody got hurt and the house is fine. But here's what everybody on my trucks does now, and what I should have made him do: Fire cloth behind the joint before you light the torch, not after. Wet down old framing if it's dry as paper. Spray bottle and an extinguisher on the floor next to you, not out on the truck. And when you're done, stay and watch it for half an hour. Put your hand near the wood. Look up into the bay with a light. Old balloon-frame houses in Bergen have bays that run open floor to floor. A spark goes up there and you won't see it until it's a real problem. Thirty minutes of watching is cheap. That's the job.

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benplumb79 · Apprentice plumber · 2 years · Somerset County, NJ · Sep 17
Discussion

Got screamed at by a GC in front of the whole crew. Wasn't even my mistake

Sorry, venting a little. We're doing the plumbing on a kitchen and two baths in a gut reno in Hillsborough. The GC walked in this morning, saw the island drain wasn't where the new cabinet layout had it, and screamed at me in front of the tile guys and the electricians. I'm the helper. My lead set it from the drawings we were given last month. The GC changed the layout and never told us. I just stood there. Should I have said something? I didn't want to make it worse for my boss.

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Rui Teixeira · Master Plumber, second-generation shop owner · 23 years · Hudson County, NJ · Sep 15
Discussion

My best helper got the call from the Local. Happy for him. Mostly.

The vo-tech kid I hired last year, best helper I've had in a long time. Shows up early, listens, asks the right questions. He applied to the plumbers' local in the spring without telling me. Got the call this week. Starts in January. I'm happy for him, and I mean that. I was in the union myself for a few years. I know exactly what he's getting: real schooling, real benefits. My father used to say you can't keep a good kid in a small shop, you can only be the shop he's glad he started in. Still. I'd started thinking he might be the one to take this place over someday. Back to the hiring pile. Anyone else lose their best guy this year?

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Dev_H · Apprentice plumber · 3 years · Gloucester County, NJ · Sep 14
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Homeowner pulled his own permit and wants us to do the work under it

Started at a new shop a few weeks ago, Gloucester County, service and repipes. Better place, actually sends me to school. Today a homeowner in Washington Township told my boss he'd already pulled the plumbing permit himself to "save money" and just wanted us to do the work. Boss said no and walked away from a decent job. Is that a real rule or is my boss being stubborn? Can a homeowner even pull a plumbing permit in NJ? And if he can, why can't a licensed shop just work under it?

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peteplumb80 · 1st-year apprentice, UA · 1 year · Essex County, NJ · Sep 14
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Buddy from my vo-tech class ranked low and says he's done trying. What do I tell him?

Kind of a different one. I'm a 1st year in Local 24, got in my first try, and I know that's partly luck. My best friend from school applied the same time, ranked way down, and now he's saying he's done. He's going to keep working at the Wawa in Montclair and "figure it out." He's better with his hands than me, honestly. I don't want to be the guy who got in lecturing him, but I also don't want him to waste a year. What would you have wanted someone to say to you? Or is it better to just leave him alone for a while?

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oldsteam_zig · Master Plumber · 28 years · Bergen County, NJ · Sep 13
Tip from a pro

Last week of September: what I want my helpers doing before the phones start

Every year the last week of September is the calm before the phones. Here's what I tell my helpers. Stock your truck like it's January. Fittings for the old stuff, not just the new stuff. Nipples, unions, gauge glasses, pigtails, a couple of the controls we always end up needing. Know where every shutoff is on your regular customers' boilers before it's dark at five. Test your flashlight, your CO meter, your combustion analyzer. Get your boots resoled now, not the first wet week. And sleep. On-call season is long, kid. The guy who's rested at 2am does better work than the guy who's been up since Tuesday. That's the job.

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benplumb79 · Apprentice plumber · 2 years · Somerset County, NJ · Sep 11
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Felt a tingle in a wet crawlspace in Manville. What do you check before going under a house?

Crawlspace job in Manville last week, replacing a section of drain under an old ranch. There was an inch of water down there from the storms. The work light was on an extension cord plugged into a garage outlet, no GFCI. Halfway through, the light flickered and I felt a tingle in my hand where I was holding the light and kneeling in the water. I got out right away. The cord had a nick in it. I'm fine. My boss said I should have checked the cord, and he's right, but I also had no idea the garage outlet wasn't GFCI protected. What do you all do before going into a wet crawlspace? I'd like a routine instead of luck.

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benplumb79 · Apprentice plumber · 2 years · Somerset County, NJ · Sep 11
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Do plumbers need the 608 for heat pump water heaters?

We installed our first two heat pump water heaters this month, both in basements in Somerset County, and now my boss says we should both get the 608 "just in case." I always thought the 608 was strictly an HVAC thing. From what I can tell the units come sealed from the factory and we're just doing the water, the condensate and the venting clearances (an electrician did the circuit). So when would a plumber ever need it? Warranty work? If the compressor side ever needs service? I apologize if this is obvious to the HVAC people here.

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Dev_H · Apprentice plumber · 3 years · Gloucester County, NJ · Sep 11
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3 years, all cash, no school. When do I leave?

Three years at the same shop in Deptford. Paid cash every Friday. He won't send me to school, says I'll learn more on the job. I mostly get PEX on new construction, boilers in the winter if they're short a guy. Good guy, but I'm not going anywhere. How do I leave without burning it?

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TryingAllThree · Career switcher · 1 year · Middlesex County, NJ · Sep 9
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Three conversion quotes, three different answers on the chimney

Different kind of question from me. We're finally converting our own house in Piscataway from oil to gas: split-level, oil boiler with baseboard, hot water off a tankless coil in the boiler. Got three quotes and they disagree on the chimney. Quote 1: new gas boiler and a new gas water heater, both into the chimney with a new liner. Quote 2: high-efficiency boiler vented out the side wall in plastic, new water heater into the existing chimney, no liner. Quote 3: high-efficiency boiler out the side wall, a separate sidewall-vented water heater, chimney not used at all. Quote 2 is cheapest. Quote 1's guy says Quote 2 is going to cause problems. Who's right, and why does the chimney matter so much? Appreciate it. Kash told me to get more than one quote, so here we are. Still doing ride-alongs too, so this is half for the house and half for me.

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Gio O. · plumber · 4 years · Hudson County, NJ · Sep 7
Discussion

CO meter went off before I hit the bottom of the basement stairs

service call in a 4-family in union city, water heater "making a smell." basement door was shut. my CO meter started going off before i got to the bottom of the stairs. flue pipe had come apart at the chimney. got out, got the tenants out of the first floor, called the gas company from the sidewalk. they shut it down. the super was mad at ME lol. 4 years in and never had my meter go off like that. how many of you actually carry one, and actually turn it on?

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Kearny_Pipefitter · plumber helper · 1 year · Hudson County, NJ · Sep 6
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6 months of demo and carrying water heaters. am I being used as a laborer?

Six months in at a small shop out of Bayonne. 90% of my day is demo, carrying material, cleaning up, and running to the supply house. I've sweated maybe 10 fittings total. The other helper has been there a year and says it was the same for him. Is this normal or am I being used as cheap labor? Don't want to quit too early and look like a flake.

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peteplumb80 · 1st-year apprentice, UA · 1 year · Essex County, NJ · Aug 30
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First real paycheck in the apprenticeship. What tools are actually worth buying now?

1st year in Local 24, mostly commercial bathrooms so far. Got the tool list at the start and bought the basics. Now I've got a couple real paychecks and I'm tempted to go nuts at the big box store. What did you actually end up using every day in your first year that wasn't on the list? And what's a waste of money until later? I spend enough at Wawa already, trying to be smart about this.

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NorthJerseyCopper · 1st-year apprentice, UA · 1 year · Bergen County, NJ · Aug 24
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Boilers: plumbing license or HVACR license?

1st year, UA Local 24. My shop does a lot of hot water boiler work in Bergen in the winter. Someone at school said that once the HVACR license came in, boilers became an HVAC thing and plumbers can't touch them. My foreman laughed at that. Idk who to believe. Who's allowed to do hydronic heat in NJ: plumbers, HVACR contractors, or both? Short answer is fine.

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Exit117Plumber · plumbing student · Middlesex County, NJ · Aug 19
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Do my vo-tech shop hours count toward anything after I graduate?

In the plumbing program at the Middlesex County vo-tech. We do a lot of shop time, plus I help my uncle on weekends (he jokes I'm basically his foreman now lol, I'm not). Ziggy's been answering my questions on here and he said to ask the people who actually run the programs, which I will, but I want to know what others found. Do the hours in a vo-tech program count toward an apprenticeship or a license later? Or is it just a diploma and a head start?

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Gio O. · plumber · 4 years · Hudson County, NJ · Aug 18
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4 years in and the license on the van isn't my boss's. do my hours count?

Service tech, 4 years, shop in Union City. Found out last month the master license on the trucks belongs to my boss's uncle. Uncle is retired in Florida lol. Boss runs everything. Starting to think about the master down the road. Do my 4 years even count if the guy who actually supervised me isn't the licensed one? Not trying to get anybody in trouble. Just don't want to find out in 3 more years that none of it counts.

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joe.plumb · New plumber · 2 years · Camden County, NJ · Aug 17
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Press coupling spit water under test... boss says I never pressed it

So we did a small repipe in a ranch in Cherry Hill, all press, and when the boss put it under test one of my 3/4 couplings was spitting... he took one look and said I never pressed it. I swear I did. Then he showed me the pipe and there was no depth mark, because I skipped marking on couplings since "I could feel it seat"... Couple questions. Is it normal for an unpressed fitting to leak like that or did I just get lucky? And if I DID press it and it still leaked, what else causes that? Trying to not do this twice edit: boss redid it, passed. buying a marker for every pouch I own

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oldsteam_zig · Master Plumber · 28 years · Bergen County, NJ · Aug 14
Tip from a pro

To the kids who ranked low this summer

Saw a few of you beating yourselves up over a number. Here's what I tell my own helpers. A ranking is one morning of your life. It doesn't know whether you show up, whether you listen, or whether you can carry a 50-gallon heater up a split-level's stairs without banging the drywall. Go get a job with somebody who'll teach you. Learn to solder, learn to read a boiler, learn to talk to a homeowner without making her nervous. Then apply again with something to say. I've hired plenty of kids who never got into anything, and they're running service calls on their own now. Don't quit on it. That's the job.

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Rui Teixeira · Master Plumber, second-generation shop owner · 23 years · Hudson County, NJ · Aug 13
Discussion

No kids in the trade. Who buys a 2-truck shop when you want out?

Business side question, for the owners and for any Juniors thinking long-term. My father ran this shop for three decades and handed it to me. None of my kids want it. My nephew in Hamilton is in IT. So in ten years or so, who buys a 2-truck residential shop on the Hudson/Bergen line? The trucks and tools aren't worth much. The customer list and the phone number are the whole business. My father used to say a shop is just the people who still call you back. I half regret not thinking about this sooner. Anyone been through selling, or buying in?

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Exit117Plumber · plumbing student · Middlesex County, NJ · Aug 11
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Why did my sweat joint leak? Should I just learn press?

Vo-tech senior, helping my uncle on weekends. Sweated a 3/4 tee on Saturday, cleaned it, fluxed it, looked perfect. Turned the water on and it dripped. Redid it and it dripped again. Uncle says just buy a press tool and stop wasting solder lol. Is sweating even worth learning anymore?

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Gio O. · plumber · 4 years · Hudson County, NJ · Jul 27
Discussion

Customer called the office and asked for me by name

4 years in, running service on my own in Hudson. I'm not a talker. Customers usually ask for my boss or the other guy, the one who can talk to anybody. Today the office said a lady in Weehawken called back for a second job and asked for "the quiet one who explained the water heater." Small thing. Made my week. The explanation was me drawing on a piece of cardboard because I'm better at that than talking lol.

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benplumb79 · Apprentice plumber · 2 years · Somerset County, NJ · Jul 26
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Failed the DWV rough because we tested with air and the inspector wanted water?

Sorry if this is a basic one. We failed a plumbing rough today on a basement bathroom in Hillsborough. We had the DWV on air, gauge was holding, and the inspector said he wanted a water test and wouldn't look at it. My boss was annoyed but said this town has always been like that, and the next town over takes air with no problem. Is that a code thing or an inspector thing? I'd like to understand it before the retest Thursday instead of just doing what I'm told. edit: filled the stack, passed Thursday. Still curious about the why if anyone knows.

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