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codebook_dale · Electrical inspector (former contractor) · 26 years · Ocean County, NJ · Oct 1
Tip from a pro

Sump pumps on GFCI: what I tell homeowners after every big storm

Every big rain, I hear the same complaint: "the GFCI tripped and my basement flooded, why does code make me do this?" Here's how I explain it. Current code editions want GFCI protection on basement receptacles, and the old exception that let a single dedicated sump receptacle skip it went away several cycles back. Check which code edition is in effect for your permit, because an older install may have been legal when it went in. A GFCI that trips on a sump pump is usually telling you something. Pumps sit in water, and as they age the windings and cords leak current. That leak is exactly the thing that kills people in wet basements. So the answer I give isn't "remove the GFCI." It's: put a high-water alarm in the pit, think hard about a battery backup pump, test the GFCI and the pump before storm season, and replace a pump that keeps tripping it. Not legal advice, just how I'd look at it after too many flooded basements.

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Master Plumber · 28 years · Bergen County, NJ
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Marcus B.
Foreman, Inside Wireman (IBEW) · 19 years · Morris County, NJ
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Flushing.sparks · electrical student · Queens, NY · Oct 1
Question

Weekend boss pays cash and says Local 3 is a waste of five years

I asked about the Local 3 application here a while back. Update and a new question. I've been working weekends for an electrician in Ridgewood, cash. He found out I'm planning to apply and now he's offering me full time when I graduate, more cash than I'd make as a first-year apprentice he says, and he keeps telling me the union is a waste of five years. Money's good for my age. But is cash going to hurt me later? He says "nobody checks."

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LiveFrontLessons · New electrician · 1 year · Monmouth County, NJ · Sep 29
Question

failed rough-in, boss says the inspector is wrong. who do i believe

1st year out of vo-tech, working for a small shop near asbury. we failed a rough in on a bathroom remodel today. inspector wrote up "physical protection" on a couple runs where the cable goes through studs, and something about the box by the vanity being too full. boss says the inspector is being picky and he's done it this way for years. i don't want to say anything dumb but i also want to understand it. who's right edit: it was nail plates on two studs where the holes were close to the edge. boss fixed it, passed on reinspection. thanks for explaining instead of just dunking on me

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Flushing.sparks · electrical student · Queens, NY · Sep 28
Question

Could I apply to a Jersey IBEW local instead of Local 3? Aunt lives in North Bergen

Queens kid, still in an electrical program. Local 3 is the dream but everybody knows how hard it is. My aunt lives in North Bergen and said I could stay with her after I graduate. I know jurisdiction is a "call them and ask" thing, which I will. But for the Jersey people: if I moved to Hudson County, would I just apply to whatever local covers there like anybody else? Is it dumb to move states for an apprenticeship? My foreman on weekends says I'm overthinking it. edit: not trying to skip the line anywhere, just want options.

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LiveFrontLessons · New electrician · 1 year · Monmouth County, NJ · Sep 26
Question

me and a buddy want to start an LLC doing handyman + small electrical. is HIC enough?

ok so hear me out. my buddy is a carpenter, i'm a year out of vo-tech working for an electrical shop near asbury. we want to start an LLC on the side, register as a home improvement contractor with the state, and do bathroom refreshes, decks, and the "small electrical" like fixtures, outlets, fans. he says the HIC registration covers all of it as long as it's under the LLC. is that right? and what insurance would we even need for something like that? we're not trying to do panels or anything crazy

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neutral_bar_99 · electrical student · Passaic County, NJ · Sep 25
Question

Saturday helper job is all carrying, and my parents want me doing SAT prep instead

I'll try to give the full picture. I'm in the electrical program at the Passaic County vo-tech, senior year. All summer and now on Saturdays I've been helping a residential electrician out of Wayne. It's mostly carrying, sweeping, holding the ladder, and the occasional Wawa run. I like it anyway, and he's a good guy. My parents want college. They say if I'm "just carrying boxes" I should quit and spend Saturdays on SAT prep instead. Part of me thinks they have a point, because I'm honestly not learning a lot of electrical yet. Is carrying boxes at 16 worth anything? Or am I wasting time I could use on school?

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neutral_bar_99 · electrical student · Passaic County, NJ · Sep 24
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How do I explain to my parents that the trades aren't a step down?

This needs some background. I'm in the electrical program at the Passaic County vo-tech, and I'm good at it. My parents are both accountants in Wayne and they want me to go to a four-year college. They're not mean about it, they just think trades are what you do if college doesn't work out. I want to apply to an apprenticeship and work. I've tried explaining, but I end up sounding like a kid who doesn't want to study. How did any of you have this conversation with your parents? What actually convinced them, if anything did? I'm writing this from the Wawa parking lot on Hamburg Turnpike because I didn't want to have this argument again tonight.

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neutral_bar_99 · electrical student · Passaic County, NJ · Sep 23
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Planning way ahead: first work vehicle, used van or a pickup with a cap?

I'm in the electrical program at the county vo-tech, so I realize this is a long way off, but I like to plan. I've been saving from my weekend job, and my dad suggested I think about what I'd eventually need for a vehicle if I ever go out on my own. I see guys with box trucks, Transit vans, pickups with caps, and one man at the Wawa near Wayne who runs everything out of a Prius. For someone starting small in electrical, used van or pickup with a cap? I'd rather buy once.

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Marcus B. · Foreman, Inside Wireman (IBEW) · 19 years · Morris County, NJ · Sep 22
Tip from a pro

Prevailing wage vs PLAs: why the big public jobs look the way they do

This keeps coming up, so here's the union-side view. I'd welcome the non-union contractors here to correct me where it's different for them. Prevailing wage is a floor. On covered public work, everyone gets at least the published rate for their trade and county, union or not. A project labor agreement is a different thing. It's an agreement for a specific project, usually a big one, about labor terms: hiring through the trades, how disputes get handled, no strikes. You'll hear about them on large public construction. If you're an apprentice and you land on one of these jobs, a few things will be new: sign-in sheets, long safety orientations, and someone checking that your classification matches your paperwork. Bring your ID, bring your card, wear your glasses. Stay safe.

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JerseyTomatoWires · 4th-year apprentice, IBEW · 4 years · Bergen County, NJ · Sep 22
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My first-year thinks he's just a laborer. How do I tell him what's normal?

4th year in 164. foreman paired me with a first-year on a warehouse fit-out in secaucus about 2 months ago... good kid, shows up, doesn't complain on the job. but at lunch he told me he thinks he's being used as a laborer. material, gang box, sweeping, fire watch. he's thinking about quiting. problem is i half agree with him. i don't want to lie and say it's all fine. i also don't want to go over the foreman's head for him. what do i actually tell him... what's normal at 2 months and what isn't? and is it my place to say something to the foreman? appreciate it

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Flushing.sparks · electrical student · Queens, NY · Sep 21
Question

How does the Local 3 apprenticeship application actually work now?

In a trade program in Queens, graduating soon. Teachers keep telling me different things about Local 3: one says it's a lottery, one says there's a test, my uncle says you need to know someone. Anyone actually go through it recently? What should I be doing now, while I'm still in school, so I'm ready when it opens?

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Flushing.sparks · electrical student · Queens, NY · Sep 20
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Landlord on my block wants me to do his apartments' outlets. I'm a student

Trade program in Queens, graduating soon. My uncle's friend owns a couple of 2-family houses in Ridgewood and found out I'm in the electrical program. He wants me to swap outlets, put in some GFCIs and replace a few fixtures before new tenants move in. Says he'll pay $400 cash and "nobody checks." My foreman at my weekend job told me absolutely not but didn't really say why. Is it really that bad if it's small stuff?

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JerseyTomatoWires · 4th-year apprentice, IBEW · 4 years · Bergen County, NJ · Sep 19
Discussion

Worst tool you ever bought as an apprentice?

4th year in 164... cleaning out my tool bag this weekend and found a 'professional' 47-piece screwdriver set I bought my first month. Used two of them. Ever. My foreman laughed at me then and he's still laughing. What's the worst tool you bought when you were starting out... so the first-years reading this don't make the same mistake. Appreciate it

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JunctionBoxJunkie · electrical student · Mercer County, NJ · Sep 18
Question

Do any non-union shops actually pay for night school?

Follow-up to my shop teacher thread. Assume I go non-union. Everyone keeps saying "find a shop that pays for school." Okay, but do those actually exist around Mercer, or is that just something people say? The guy I work weekends for told me he'd "think about it" when I asked. I'm not expecting a free ride. I'd just like to know what's normal to ask for before I graduate and start applying for real jobs, so I don't ask for something crazy or settle for nothing.

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Flushing.sparks · electrical student · Queens, NY · Sep 18
Question

What kind of math is on the aptitude test, and how did you study?

Getting ready for the Local 3 application whenever it opens next. I'm okay at math but not great. What was actually on the aptitude test when you took it? Algebra? Reading? Mechanical stuff? And what did you use to study? My shop teacher has an old practice packet but it's from like 2015 and half the pages are photocopies of photocopies.

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JunctionBoxJunkie · electrical student · Mercer County, NJ · Sep 18
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Apply right out of high school, or wait a year so I don't tank the ranking?

Third time posting about this stuff, sorry, the shop teacher thread got me thinking. If I apply to the IBEW the first chance I get after I graduate, I'll walk into the interview with one summer job, weekend helper hours and nothing else. If I wait a year and work full time at a shop, I'd have a full year of real work to talk about. Logic says wait. My teacher says apply right away, every time, because "you can't get picked if you're not in the pile." I see his point, but I also don't want my first impression to be a weak one if it follows me. Does a bad first interview stick with you, or is every year a fresh start?

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Passaic_Sparky · electrician · 4 years · Passaic County, NJ · Sep 17
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what's actually on the business and law part of the EC exam

4 years doing service and panel swaps out of little falls. not taking the EC exam tomorrow, i know i need my experience squared away first, but i want to start on the business and law side now since that's the part nobody at my shop can tell me anything about. my boss took his like 20 years ago and says "it's common sense, don't worry about it." idk, that's what people said about every test i ever failed. what's on it? nj law stuff like contracts and liens, or general business? open book? anyone take it recently

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Exit117Plumber · plumbing student · Middlesex County, NJ · Sep 16
Question

LED bulbs on the basement stairs glow when the switches are off

Helping my uncle again this weekend. His basement stairs have a light with a switch at the top and the bottom. He swapped the old bulbs for LEDs and now with both switches off they glow really faint, like a nightlight. He says it's cheap bulbs and to ignore it. I'm a plumbing kid so I don't really know electrical, but it bugs me. Is that a bulb thing or is something wired wrong? Should I be worried about it

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groundrod_05 · New electrician · 2 years · Bronx, NY · Sep 15
Discussion

Quit the Bronx shop today. Two weeks' notice, no drama

Two years at a non-union shop in the Bronx while I wait on the list. The last few months a lot of things got unsafe, and I'll leave it at that. I gave two weeks' notice this morning, thanked the owner for the two years, and that was it. Starting at a shop in Queens that does commercial fit-outs next month. My mentor told me to leave clean and never say a bad word about them publicly, so that's all I'll say. Mostly posting because I've been nervous about this for a month.

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Passaic_Sparky · electrician · 4 years · Passaic County, NJ · Sep 13
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new shop wants me on a 1099 with my own van. red flag or normal

4 years in, service and panel swaps. got an offer from a shop in wayne, more per hour than i make now, but they want me as a 1099 'independent contractor' and i'd use my own van, my own tools, my own gas. i'd still be on their schedule, in their shirt, running their calls. idk if that's normal or a way to skip paying for stuff. anyone done 1099 in the trades in nj?

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threeway_02 · New to electrical (career switch) · Essex County, NJ · Sep 13
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Electrical helper here. Boss says we get no-heat calls in winter too?

About a month into my first helper job (residential electrical, Irvington and around). My lead mentioned that once it gets cold we'll get calls from people whose boiler or furnace "has no power," and that half the time it's something electrical. I assumed no-heat was an HVAC or plumbing call. What are electricians usually finding on these? And where's the line between our job and the heating guy's? I don't want to be the new guy poking at a burner.

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Flushing.sparks · electrical student · Queens, NY · Sep 11
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Weekend helper job is cutting into my program. Worth it?

Senior in an electrical program at a trade high school in Queens. Got a weekend helper job with a small shop in Ridgewood, Saturdays and some Sundays. Good money for me, and the foreman lets me do a little more every week. Problem is my grades slipped and my mom is on me about it. Do the hours matter more than grades if I want an apprenticeship? Or am I screwing myself.

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groundrod_05 · New electrician · 2 years · Bronx, NY · Sep 11
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Got called for the Local 3 interview after a year of waiting. What do they look for?

Apex grad, working non-union in the Bronx for two years while I waited. I got the letter this week: I have an interview. I have been preparing with my mentor here, but I want to hear from more people. What did your interview look like? What do they want to hear from someone who already has some field experience? I do not want to sound like I know everything, but I also do not want to undersell the two years I put in. Appreciate any advice. edit: interview is Monday, not next week. I misread the letter.

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JerseyTomatoWires · 4th-year apprentice, IBEW · 4 years · Bergen County, NJ · Sep 9
Discussion

A first-year asked ME how to bend an offset today...

4th year in 164... today a brand new first-year on our job asked me how to bend an offset and I just showed him without thinking about it. Then I realized I was him three years ago, asking the same thing and wasting half a stick of EMT. My foreman saw it and said "see, you're useful now." Weird feeling... anyway, I top out next year. Just wanted to say it somewhere

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Isaiah K. · electrician helper · 1 year · Ocean County, NJ · Aug 30
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uncle wants me to wire his basement under a homeowner permit. is that allowed

my uncle in barnegat is finishing his basement and wants me to do the wiring on weekends. he says he can pull a homeowner permit and i'd just be helping him, and he'd pay me in pizza and gas money basically. i work for a remodel shop in manahawkin so i know how to do it, but i'm not licensed. is this actually allowed in nj or is the homeowner permit only if he does the work himself? would rather ask here than ask my boss. edit: he owns the house and lives there, if that matters

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Isaiah K. · electrician helper · 1 year · Ocean County, NJ · Aug 30
Question

the GC keeps borrowing me for drywall cleanup on our remodel jobs

helper at a small electrical shop, residential remodels around manahawkin and the island. on the last two jobs the gc has been grabbing me when my boss isn't there. "hey can you help carry this drywall out," "can you sweep the kitchen for the tile guy." i say yes because i don't want to be rude, and then i'm behind on my own stuff. is this normal? how do i say no to a gc without it getting back to my boss wrong edit: told my boss. he was not happy with the gc. pretty sure that's handled now.

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JunctionBoxJunkie · electrical student · Mercer County, NJ · Aug 28
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My shop teacher won't stop pushing the union application. Why is he so sure?

Some context first because it matters. I'm in the electrical program at the Mercer County vo-tech, I've been doing weekend helper stuff for a guy in Hamilton since June (mostly carrying, some pulling wire), and my shop teacher brings up the IBEW application basically every class. Like every single class. He hands out the flyer, he talks about the pension, he tells us non-union is a dead end. The guy I work weekends for is non-union and he's doing fine. Owns two vans, takes his family to Wildwood every August. So who's right? I'm not against the union. I just don't like being told there's one answer when I can see with my own eyes there's at least two.

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Isaiah K. · electrician helper · 1 year · Ocean County, NJ · Aug 20
Question

re-identifying the white wire on a switch loop, is tape enough

residential remodel in manahawkin. old part of the house has a ceiling light fed at the fixture, with a 2-wire cable down to the switch. my boss wraps black tape on the white at both ends and moves on. in school they mentioned something about needing a neutral at switches now. is the tape enough on an existing loop, and does the newer code mean we have to rewire it when we touch it?

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JunctionBoxJunkie · electrical student · Mercer County, NJ · Aug 19
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Parents' Cape is getting mini-splits. What's the electrician's part?

my parents' cape in hamilton is getting a 3-zone mini-split next month and the hvac company said "you'll need an electrician for the power." my dad looked at me because I'm in the electrical program at vo-tech, which, no, I'm a student. but I want to understand what the electrician is actually going to do so I can watch and not be useless. like how do they know what size breaker, what's the box on the wall outside for, and does it need a GFCI? our book says something about outdoor GFCI but my teacher said it's complicated

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JerseyTomatoWires · 4th-year apprentice, IBEW · 4 years · Bergen County, NJ · Aug 18
Discussion

same drawings, two towns... two different answers on the rough

4th year in 164. foreman has us on two retail fit-outs right now, one in hackensack and one a couple towns over in paramus. same drawings, same crew, same everything. one inspector passed our rough no problem... the other wrote up the exact thing the first one signed off on. foreman just shrugged and said every town is its own country. isn't the code supposed to be the same everywhere in NJ? how does that even happen

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threeway_02 · New to electrical (career switch) · Essex County, NJ · Aug 18
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36 and switching to electrical: union apprenticeship, trade school, or just find a shop?

I'm 36, been in insurance claims for 11 years and I'm done with it. I want to get into electrical. I've read a lot and I keep going in circles on the three options: 1. Apply to the IBEW apprenticeship (I'm in Irvington, so I think that's 102?) 2. Do a night program somewhere first 3. Just call shops and try to get hired as a helper I have some savings but not a ton. Which of these actually gets me working and learning soonest? I'd appreciate honest answers, including "you're too late for X" if that's the case.

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peteplumb80 · 1st-year apprentice, UA · 1 year · Essex County, NJ · Aug 14
Question

what does a 4-way switch actually do in the middle?

UA 1st year, plumbing, so this is pure curiosity. The electrician on our job (commercial bathrooms in a building in Montclair, long corridor outside them) was explaining the corridor lights at lunch. 3-way at each end, I followed that from the other thread on here. Then he said there's a 4-way in the middle and it "flips the travelers" and he lost me. Flips them how? Why can't you just put a third 3-way in the middle?

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JunctionBoxJunkie · electrical student · Mercer County, NJ · Aug 14
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My teacher says public school jobs pay way more. What is prevailing wage?

Before school let out my shop teacher was going on about how the summer school renovation jobs pay "prevailing wage" and that's why everyone fights to get on them. I nodded. I have no idea what it means. Is it a union thing? Would I make more as a helper on one of those jobs? And why would a school pay more than a house? Explain it like I'm a vo-tech kid in Hamilton whose whole resume is one summer carrying wire, because that's what I am.

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groundrod_05 · New electrician · 2 years · Bronx, NY · Aug 9
Question

Prewar Bronx building: fixture is hot with both 3-ways off

Working non-union in the Bronx, mostly apartment renovations in prewar buildings. Today we were replacing a hallway fixture in a unit in Kingsbridge. Both 3-way switches off, and I checked the fixture with my non-contact tester anyway and it lit up on both wires. My mechanic checked with a meter, said there was voltage to ground on both conductors, then said "it's a Carter, leave it and call the office." I have never heard of a Carter system. We did 3-ways at Apex and none of this matched. What is it, and why would both wires be hot with the light off? Appreciate any explanation. edit: nobody touched anything live. He made us stop and the office is sending someone to look at it.

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JunctionBoxJunkie · electrical student · Mercer County, NJ · Aug 5
Question

Route 1 at 6am in my mom's car for a $17/hr summer job. Ask about travel or suck it up?

Over-explaining as usual. Got a summer job with an electrical contractor whose shop is in North Brunswick, and the jobs are all over Middlesex and Mercer. I live in Hamilton and I don't have my own car, so I'm borrowing my mom's. Route 1 at 6am is a parking lot from the Quaker Bridge area up, and when I take the Turnpike instead the tolls add up fast. Gas is killing me too. I make $17 an hour. Is it normal for a shop to pay nothing for travel for a summer kid? Should I ask, or just suck it up until school starts?

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Marcus B. · Foreman, Inside Wireman (IBEW) · 19 years · Morris County, NJ · Aug 4
Tip from a pro

Before application season: get your paperwork together now, not the week it opens

Every year I watch people scramble for documents the week an application opens. Don't be that person. I can't tell you what any specific program requires; each apprenticeship posts its own list, and you should go by that. But in my experience the usual suspects are proof of age, your high school diploma or equivalent, sometimes a transcript, a driver's license, and for veterans, discharge paperwork. Some of those take weeks to get. Request your transcript now. Find your birth certificate now. If your license is suspended, deal with it now. None of this is exciting. All of it has cost people a year. Stay safe.

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JunctionBoxJunkie · electrical student · Mercer County, NJ · Aug 1
Discussion

It was 97 outside and I swear 140 in that attic

Summer job, helping an electrical contractor while school's out. Today we ran a new circuit for a bathroom fan in a Cape in Hamilton, which meant the attic. In the heat wave. My shirt was soaked through in four minutes. I drank three bottles of water and my boss made me come down every 20 minutes, which I was mad about until I got dizzy on the ladder coming down the last time. I'm fine. Sat in the truck with the AC on for a while. Is this just what summers are? How do you all do this for 20 years?

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groundrod_05 · New electrician · 2 years · Bronx, NY · Jul 31
Question

Bronx shop landed a Midtown high-rise. Driving in, or the 6 train with my tools?

My non-union shop in the Bronx got a three-month job on a high-rise in Midtown. First time I'll be working in Manhattan. Driving in means the congestion charge plus parking, and the foreman says garages near the job cost about as much as a car payment. Taking the subway means carrying my tools on the 6 at 5:30am. How do you guys do it? Does anyone's shop actually pay for parking in the city? Appreciate it. edit: shop says they'll cover parking for the lead only. subway it is.

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codebook_dale · Electrical inspector (former contractor) · 26 years · Ocean County, NJ · Jul 27
Tip from a pro

Inspectors notice which helpers are paying attention

Something I've noticed from the inspection side, for anyone stuck in the material-and-cleanup months. The helpers who come along on inspections and actually listen are the ones I later see running jobs. Not legal advice, just how I'd look at it: if your boss lets you, be there when the inspector walks the rough. Ask what he's looking at. Ask which code edition is in effect for that permit, and then go read the section he wrote up. Bring the permit card and the plans without being asked. You'll carry material for months no matter what. Spend twenty minutes of it learning what passes and why. It's the cheapest education on the job.

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JunctionBoxJunkie · electrical student · Mercer County, NJ · Jul 27
Question

how does an AFCI actually tell a bad arc from a light switch?

ok so last year in class we covered AFCIs and the teacher said they detect "dangerous arcing." but every time you flip a switch or plug something in there's a little arc, and a brushed motor like a drill arcs constantly. so how does the breaker know which arc is the bad one? is it just guessing off some pattern? because from what I hear on here they trip on random stuff and miss other stuff, so I'm skeptical. also the teacher couldn't really answer it so here I am

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Electrical Contractor · 22 years · Monmouth County, NJ

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