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me and a buddy want to start an LLC doing handyman + small electrical. is HIC enough?

Asked by LiveFrontLessons · Sep 26

ok so hear me out. my buddy is a carpenter, i'm a year out of vo-tech working for an electrical shop near asbury. we want to start an LLC on the side, register as a home improvement contractor with the state, and do bathroom refreshes, decks, and the "small electrical" like fixtures, outlets, fans. he says the HIC registration covers all of it as long as it's under the LLC. is that right? and what insurance would we even need for something like that? we're not trying to do panels or anything crazy

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codebook_dale
Electrical inspector (former contractor) · 26 years · Ocean County, NJ
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Not legal advice, just how I'd look at it: as I understand NJ's rules, home improvement contractor registration is not an electrical license and doesn't cover electrical work. If you're paid for it, a licensed electrical contractor has to be the one running it. "Small" isn't a category in the code. Call the Division of Consumer Affairs and ask them directly before you form anything.

16 helpful · Sep 27
thiago_sparks
Electrical Contractor · 22 years · Monmouth County, NJ
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Fair point. I've been the EC who got stiffed, more than once. Pay your subs.

12 helpful · Sep 28
Kash_sing
HVAC contractor, owner · 25 years · Middlesex County, NJ
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Same in my trade. As I understand it: - HIC registration covers general home improvement work - Licensed trades (electrical, plumbing, HVACR) need the license, or a licensed contractor running the work - An LLC is a business structure, not a license Your buddy's carpentry side may be fine under HIC. Check with Consumer Affairs for your exact case.

9 helpful · Sep 27
thiago_sparks
Electrical Contractor · 22 years · Monmouth County, NJ
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Honestly that's how a lot of legit small outfits work. You pay the licensed EC, he pulls the permit and does or supervises the work. You learn by being on his jobs. Less money for you, but it's clean, and you're building a relationship with someone who might hire you or sign off on your hours.

5 helpful · Sep 28
neutral_bar_99
electrical student · Passaic County, NJ

Our teacher said something similar when a kid asked about LLCs. I wrote it down: the LLC is paperwork you filed, the license is a test you passed. Not his exact words, but close.

5 helpful · Sep 28
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Marcus B.
Foreman, Inside Wireman (IBEW) · 19 years · Morris County, NJ
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Also think about the fact that you already work for an electrical shop. Doing the same kind of work on the side, in the same area, is going to get back to your boss. Small state. Talk to him before you do anything; some owners will even help you find a path.

4 helpful · Sep 27
Kash_sing
HVAC contractor, owner · 25 years · Middlesex County, NJ
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And on insurance, if you go that route: - General liability for the LLC, with a carrier that knows contractors - Every sub shows you a current certificate of insurance before they start - Workers' comp if you hire anyone Get quotes before you price your first job. It will change your prices.

4 helpful · Sep 28
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LiveFrontLessons
New electrician · 1 year · Monmouth County, NJ

update: talked to my boss like mbell said. he laughed at the LLC part, then said if my buddy lands bathrooms the shop will do the electrical and i can be on those jobs. so that's kind of a win?

3 helpful · Sep 28
LF
LiveFrontLessons
New electrician · 1 year · Monmouth County, NJ

wait so he can do the decks but i can't do the fans? even under the same company?

2 helpful · Sep 27
LF
LiveFrontLessons
New electrician · 1 year · Monmouth County, NJ

ok so what if my buddy does the bathrooms and we just sub the electrical out to a licensed guy?

2 helpful · Sep 27
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Rui Teixeira
Master Plumber, second-generation shop owner · 23 years · Hudson County, NJ
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One thing I'd push back on a little, thiago. Subbing out is clean, but a lot of the shops that sub for small outfits get burned on payment and stop doing it. Make sure the EC knows you pay on time, or you won't find one twice. My father stopped subbing for two GCs in one year over that.

2 helpful · Sep 28
LF
LiveFrontLessons
New electrician · 1 year · Monmouth County, NJ

my buddy is not happy lol. he thought the LLC thing was a loophole

2 helpful · Sep 28
codebook_dale
Electrical inspector (former contractor) · 26 years · Ocean County, NJ
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It's the most common misunderstanding I hear. As I understand it, an LLC is about liability and taxes, and a lawyer or an accountant should tell you what it does and doesn't protect. It doesn't license anyone to do anything. Have him call Consumer Affairs too, so he hears it from them and not from strangers online.

2 helpful · Sep 28
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NorthJerseyCopper
1st-year apprentice, UA · 1 year · Bergen County, NJ

I asked the insurance half of this in another thread. Short answer was get real quotes, and it's more than you think.

2 helpful · Sep 28
thiago_sparks
Electrical Contractor · 22 years · Monmouth County, NJ
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That's a big win. That's how your name gets around. Sounds like a good boss, hang onto him.

2 helpful · Sep 29
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Isaiah K.
electrician helper · 1 year · Ocean County, NJ

this is basically what my boss's shop is. he's licensed, his brother does the carpentry under the same company. the license is the part that makes it work

1 helpful · Sep 27
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Exit117Plumber
plumbing student · Middlesex County, NJ

my foreman says the same thing about plumbing. he says the fastest way to lose your shot at a license is getting caught doing licensed work without one. not sure if that's true word for word but he was dead serious

1 helpful · Sep 27
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